tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post1804057401151881661..comments2024-03-27T05:22:27.604-05:00Comments on Eddie Campbell: Eddie Campbellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02492020671613766729noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-42891799493947830092008-03-31T12:08:00.000-05:002008-03-31T12:08:00.000-05:00As much as I mourn (yeah, I am a fanboy) the early...As much as I mourn (yeah, I am a fanboy) the early Fourth World issues when I see how much more exciting the Royer inked issues are, you are right to issue a corrective to overly zealous ad hominem attacks on Colletta. <BR/><BR/>His work on Defenders Annual #4 with Don Heck (another much maligned artist of that era) was really moving (probably Gerber's adult script inspired all involved)--and hey, his 1970's Lois Lanes were pretty good. <BR/><BR/>However, did you ever see what he did to Kurt Schaffenburger's pencils? <BR/><BR/>Ah. Anyway thanks for your thoughtful post.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02095975112926228289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-69045654453482645952008-03-31T11:49:00.000-05:002008-03-31T11:49:00.000-05:00I started reading in the mid-70s, so my favorite i...I started reading in the mid-70s, so my favorite inker for Kirby was always Royer. <BR/><BR/>The THOR masterworks are giving me a new appreciation of Coletta's work. There is an issue in the latest volume that is inked by Bill Everett, so we can get a window into how the book might have looked in other hands. Would it have been nice for Everett to ink the THOR run in its entirety? Yes, I think so, but that's just my preference. But that's not what happened. I can't believe I went so long without reading these amazingly fun tales, and Coletta's contributions are a key part of the experience.Mark Parsonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664542532098855920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-7381253788712278842008-03-31T11:30:00.000-05:002008-03-31T11:30:00.000-05:00Never EVER trust a feeling like "sure, OF COURSE, ...Never EVER trust a feeling like "sure, OF COURSE, I'll remember".<BR/>At best, you'll remember that there was something worth remembering.<BR/><BR/>Keep a pen and notepad by the bed.<BR/>Train yourself to write in the utter darkness - even just a few words - it's worth the effortspacedlawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12462723005560128474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-24931697029063872252008-03-31T09:02:00.000-05:002008-03-31T09:02:00.000-05:00Thanks Matthew. I've been told the book is on sale...Thanks Matthew. I've been told the book is on sale in Australia (well Sydney anyway...) Doré was quite an influence on all that close shading, as was Berni Wrightson with his Frankenstein illustrations, a couple of which borrow directly from Doré.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who likes the Victorian atmosphere of From Hell should check out Doré's London: A Pilgrimage from 1876, based on expeditions round the capital with writer Blanchard Jerrold. Many of the views are exaggerated or romanticised but they still give a fascinating picture of the city at that time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-14342698283838971022008-03-31T05:39:00.000-05:002008-03-31T05:39:00.000-05:00Sounds like Shatner is to blame to me.KHAAAAN!!!!!...Sounds like Shatner is to blame to me.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>KHAAAAN!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-52103571912642561122008-03-31T00:49:00.000-05:002008-03-31T00:49:00.000-05:00I went to your blog site John, and was amazed. I h...I went to your blog site John, and was amazed. I had just borrowed out The haunter of the dark and other grotesque visions from my local library (i havent seen it in any book stores or comic stores as yet). It is a great book, and very disturbing in some ways (im a christian, so maybe i am easily disturbed), but i loved pouring over all the details in every illustration.Matthew Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954050440829792514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-55731986431479507202008-03-30T23:58:00.000-05:002008-03-30T23:58:00.000-05:00Thanks for that info John, that clears up a lot. I...Thanks for that info John, that clears up a lot. I have seen some of the sketches he made in preperation, and they seem as detailed as the final pictures so I never really thought he was skimping. <BR/><BR/>Lol, you just made me get out the one book I own and check for the Pisan ones, and yeah, his work is definately nice. It seems a little looser than a lot of the others. I did find a few with just Dore's name on there, and I have noticed he manages to bring out the light and dark really well, something which is lacking a bit in a lot of the ones that he had help on (help doesn't seem quite the right word, but it is close enough). Gustave Dore manages light really well, almost the opposite of Odilon Redon, who manages black so well. I dont know if that makes any sense, seeing as if you can manage one, you can manage the other just as well, but Dore's focus seems to be on light, and on line, whereas Redon's work is more about shadow and to some degree loss of detail.Matthew Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954050440829792514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-49335332929823230202008-03-30T22:16:00.000-05:002008-03-30T22:16:00.000-05:00I believe the additional names on Doré's pictures ...I believe the additional names on Doré's pictures are those of the engraver for each plate. I've got about 12 books of his work (I was a fan, can you tell?) and Doré had a considerable team helping him. H Pisan was one of the best, he did nearly the whole of Don Quixote with Gustave and he does some of the best plates in other books.<BR/><BR/>The process was that Doré would draw the figures and outlines on the engraving plate then the engraver would add all the lines, texture and detail. That seems like Doré was skimping but he still had a considerable workload, having to sketch all those illustrations beforehand. And nearly all the books have many vignettes which are Doré's work alone. So the engraver was more like a combined inker/colourist, I suppose, rather than an apprentice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-41334143562298916872008-03-30T20:26:00.000-05:002008-03-30T20:26:00.000-05:00I kinda wonder if arguments like this happened pre...I kinda wonder if arguments like this happened pre comic book days, back in the days when most artists learnt via apprenticeships?<BR/><BR/> I have a beautiful book at home (Dante's inferno) illustrated by Gustave Dore. Almost all the illustrations contain Dore's signature as well as another (I presume apprentice, though could be just assistant) signature. The amount of work that each assistant has done on each illustration is immense, proven by the vastly differing styles between each picture. I even suspect that they might have worked of designs by Dore as opposed to actually "tracing" his work (I have no real evidence for this suspicion, it just feels right... is that doing a hockney?)<BR/>Maybe Scott Mcloud (not too much disrespect meant here) could put forward that these books illustrated by Dore are the first graphic novels.Matthew Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954050440829792514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-59779143514706952002008-03-30T19:28:00.000-05:002008-03-30T19:28:00.000-05:00your comment came in just as I was adding a line t...your comment came in just as I was adding a line to the relevant passage. The late fifties were a time when work was scarce because of the cancellation of many publishing lines and titles. If somebody had moref work than he needed, there would have been plenty of folk around willing to help.Eddie Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02492020671613766729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-53322909989753505952008-03-30T19:22:00.000-05:002008-03-30T19:22:00.000-05:00for what it's worth, Colletta was using assistants...for what it's worth, Colletta was using assistants by at least the late 1950s-early 1960s. Then it was folks like Matt Baker and Maurice Whitman. Not a bad team to drawing with.Steven Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04327077321150342133noreply@blogger.com