tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post3221748919748695646..comments2024-03-27T05:22:27.604-05:00Comments on Eddie Campbell: BIG HANDS & little geezers (rule #2)Eddie Campbellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02492020671613766729noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-35890525743767829382007-03-04T00:13:00.000-05:002007-03-04T00:13:00.000-05:00RodI'll reply to this on the main page in a day or...Rod<BR/>I'll reply to this on the main page in a day or two<BR/><BR/>eddieEddie Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02492020671613766729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-57194129903625838702007-03-03T15:21:00.000-05:002007-03-03T15:21:00.000-05:00Hi Eddie, I may have garbled what I was getting at...Hi Eddie, I may have garbled what I was getting at (wouldn't be the first time). I was thinking of Clive Bell and the elite, and privilaged, little Bloomsbury Group's insistance on the autonomy of painting, ridding it of all techniques of photography and cinema and the foregrounding instead of the means of production, of the technique (always over substance), so that the painterly qualities of a painting, are all that matters and any discussion of the work should focus only on its self-referential qualities.<BR/><BR/>http://www.rowan.edu/philosop/clowney/Aesthetics/philos_artists_onart/bell.htm<BR/><BR/>The reason the foregrounding of technique disquiets me is that Clement Greenberg used Bell's arguements to champion Abstract Expressionism and he was udoubtedly a tool of the CIA's promotion of Abstract Expressionism, during the Cold War. It was not, as he was later to admit, something he believed in.<BR/><BR/>http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner01112003.html<BR/><BR/>http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/051017crat_atlarge?051017crat_atlarge<BR/><BR/>He later excused himself by saying that nobody should have taken him seriously and that he was 'only making copy'. But as a highly influential art critic he destroyed a lot of careers.<BR/><BR/>http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/19/sept00/clement.htm<BR/><BR/>Whilst I wouldn't argue about rules being necessary, I would object to a definition that strips comics of all outside references; if it were ever possible, and subjects comics to nothing but self-referential signifiers.Rod McKiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15322224888246015883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-56024246739102506912007-02-26T00:56:00.000-05:002007-02-26T00:56:00.000-05:00Christophernot naming any offenders. too manyThese...Christopher<BR/>not naming any offenders. too many<BR/>These rules apply at all times. I believe in Logic most rigorous. <BR/><BR/>Andrew<BR/>I will be getting back to the autonomy thing.<BR/>This blog is just all the stuff that's been rattling around in my head for months. great to get it all out, make room for new thoughts<BR/><BR/>Drjon<BR/>the big glove indeed. Ed drew it on the end of his mitt. I think I'd have built up some pneumatic machinery to make it work convincingly<BR/>but, who would notcie?Eddie Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02492020671613766729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-61880982718320614482007-02-23T08:13:00.000-05:002007-02-23T08:13:00.000-05:00Ah, the Big Glove.The Big Glove was ace.Ah, the Big Glove.<BR/><BR/>The Big Glove was ace.drjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351916590417179786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-27253430633098420792007-02-23T03:49:00.000-05:002007-02-23T03:49:00.000-05:00Ivan's 'rule' seems to be related to cambell's fir...Ivan's 'rule' seems to be related to cambell's first rule, that the entirety of the situation must be contained within each panel, maybe I misunderstand?<BR/><BR/>How anyone could hope to make the reader a participant in the story I have no idea - the comic form would seem to be one of the more autistic storytelling methods available...<BR/><BR/>You seem to react more strongly than I thought you might against the idea of comics as an autonomous art-form, could you cope with the idea of semi-autonomous? Or even one that can get by on it's own most of the time, but sometimes needs a little help from it's friends?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-32814185840504576652007-02-22T19:37:00.000-05:002007-02-22T19:37:00.000-05:00Hrm...Hrm...James Robert Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17281049641681225389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-28221611227559697272007-02-22T09:57:00.000-05:002007-02-22T09:57:00.000-05:00First of all Eddie, I'd like to commend you on mak...First of all Eddie, I'd like to commend you on making trouble. When people are discontent, they (by means of necessity) have to think, and thinking leads to new ideas, and new directions for those ideas to go in. I still think you should make a book about this stuff. People, am I right here, when I say that this stuff is every bit as relevant as anything Scott McClowed would tell us? Blogs are still a little to obscure for this kind of information to be carried on. Now, questions: Who do you feel are the worst offenders of these rules? Who are the ones best at navigating them? Should these rules forever and always apply to every comic? I know, I'm trying to make trouble now, too.Christopher Moonlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16805942313835669938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-81193628594260644022007-02-22T06:25:00.000-05:002007-02-22T06:25:00.000-05:00What's all this "said" crap. I was listening to t...What's all this "said" crap. I was listening to the Housemartins and never said a word...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1752841194995687278.post-76778800808991865492007-02-22T06:21:00.000-05:002007-02-22T06:21:00.000-05:00That poster is ridiculosuly close to an Alan Davis...That poster is ridiculosuly close to an Alan Davis picture from the early 80s. I'm obviously too stupid to post it, but will bring it tomorrow.<BR/><BR/>Plag-tastic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com